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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:14:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:]Wrong.
Our freedom of speech does not extend to hate speech. Not much to be done about it, since our Supreme Court has upheld the notion that hate speech is not protected.
I'm asking your personal opinion, what with you defending Fon Revedhort's hate speech and all.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1336
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:24:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:My thought is that it was WRONG.
That what was wrong? Please be specific, this is going to be one of those enlightening moments I think.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1336
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Posted - 2013.03.29 01:47:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:You need to be specific. The trials of Ernst Zundel happened in the 1980s. All I recall is that he wrote a bunch of anti-Jewish, anti-Holocaust literature. I do not recall him engaging in any violent behaviour.
Funny, you didn't need specificity when you said "My thought is that it was WRONG.". Why now?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 02:20:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Because I'm sensing a trap. :) So, ask specifically what you want to ask. I'm no Ernst Zundel expert.
I actually wasn't looking for specifics, I was asking what you thought of his treatment in general, both from the 80's trials and his subsequent deportation in 2005 (when he hilariously tried to claim refugee status in the wake of a German arrest warrant). I just found it odd that you answered the question first and then asked what part I meant specifically.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:09:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:.....and you are seriously trying to demonstrate a working knowledge of politics based upon experience ? Seriously ?
If you're not American I can see not having a clue who he is (let alone why his name would be invoked).
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1336
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:26:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:There is this thing. It's called Google.
Sure, but if you're invoking a name to prove a point, you can't expect others to research who that is. Frying Doom (presumably not American) didn't get an American-centric example, which leaves us with two options:
1. Explain the relevance of the name/situation and why it matters (which mynnna did), or
2. Pitch a fit because they didn't get the reference and didn't try to research why it was relevant (which you just did)
Guess which one is more likely to work?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1336
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:39:00 -
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Davader wrote:Why the f*** do we discuss the real life views of CSM candidate?.
Ask him why he brought it up, why he used **** music in his PVP videos. We wouldn't have a clue about his "leanings" if it wasn't for him going out of his way to tell us.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1336
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:22:00 -
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Davader wrote:These walls of blaming posts look like more as a try to use 'black' methods of election company, than as a real thing, cuz in fact normal EVE players don't care about real life stuff in CSM candidates, they care about the ability of this CSm member to do his job and make our EVE better.
Right, and believe it or not, that's one of the things people opposing him care about as well - the ability of the CSM itself (i.e. not just Fon, but everyone else who may have to work with him, both elected CSM and CCP staff) to be able to do their jobs and make this game better. To that end, we oppose his even being allowed to stand, as not only does he have rather repugnant and hateful views, he's shown himself to be quite open with them. When you're dealing with what is going to potentially be a multinational, multicultural elected body, that's a pretty big concern.
I would've thought that would be obvious but apparently it needs explaining over and over again.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:31:00 -
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Could both of you seriously shut the **** up about Rush Limbaugh? The entire point of even bringing him up was explained by mynnna (and understood by Frying Doom) well before Krixtal decided to be a **** about it. Let it go already.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1336
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:36:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Who, me ?
Yes, you. Had you actually ******* read the thread, you'd have saw that FD not knowing who Rush was in mynnna's example was already solved by mynnna explaining its relevance* (in which Rush himself wasn't all that relevant anyway). It wasn't until a page and hours after the fact to have a problem with it. Yeah, he's equally dumb for biting on it and going but you're just as dumb for starting it.
* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2809943#post2809943
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:48:00 -
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Davader wrote:Do you really care, what is the occupation of the CSM member, you've voted for? Do you want him to fix EVE ship balance or do you want to hear his thoughts about nation relations?
He's spent plenty of time giving us both, whether we wanted it or not. Why are you so confident he'll be able to put all of that aside if elected when so far, he hasn't?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1336
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:53:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:On that I will agree just let this thread die.
Nope, this thread (and any other threads about him) need to keep going until CCP acknowledges this one way or the other (either by banning him or saying we know about his belifs and he's still in and that's that). So far they've been playing the "hide and hope it all goes away" game, and that's just unacceptable.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:57:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:A clear and difinative response might be on its way in the candidates thread as a dev is writing a response there, but I think I am dreaming if they actually give a real answer.
Just look at how long to get a straight answer about POSs
Yeah, I saw that, and ot be fair, POS'es are quite a bit more complex an issue than "do we want a neo-**** representing our company and our players?" ;)
We're going to get something definitive here. What I have no idea, but it'll be something.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 14:16:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Quite an except able response from CCP on the other thread.
Nice to see.
It's not even a response, it's saying a response is coming. More than a little disconcerting that his primary concern is with people "crossing the line" when they still have his ****-laden PVP video directly attached to his candidacy page, though. You would think that someone attaching 14/88 and other **** bullshit all over CCP property in an attempt to promote himself would be more of a concern, but I guess this IS CCP we're talking about here.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 14:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:No I for once are happy that they are taking their time to do this right, rather than just some knee jerk reaction, like the ones they normally do.
Frankly I hope they decide his posts breach the EULA and kick his arose out, and they did something similar prior to giving The Mittani that ban.
Well here is hoping.
If that was the case at all, they wouldn't have waited until today to say anything. Much like the Mittani situation (it took them days to levy their punishment), they were hiding and hoping it'd all just go away on its own. Now that it's not, they've actually got to make a decision.
The sad part is they've had a year to do it - Fon ran last year and the same thing happened last year as well (though they were far more aggressive in editing out any references to his beliefs).
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 14:43:00 -
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Davader wrote:EVE players want the game to be improved, balanced and ameliorated. Instead of concentrating on PvP, ship balancing, issues of blobs, discussing current sad situation in low secs, etc we are discussing real life stuff.
We're only doing it in the thread of a candidate who made it part of the discussion himself by being so upfront about it. Every other thread is more-or-less focused on game issues. The problem here is Fon and his hate-based beliefs, nothing more, nothing less.
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